Historic specimens (older than100 ryears)

[aksel]

Hello all,

I´ve been working back and forth since the end of –80ies with the he School of Mines collection in Luleå(Sweden).

As always with old collections there are problems - such as lacking labels (or wrong labels) but also some interesting things. Would be interested to hearwhat you have to say about the following:

On one of the labels here in Lulea (Bergs-1954) the text read as; ” Weisser Speis-Kobalt v. Aufgeklärtes Glück bei Hasserode.a d Dittrschen Auction. Gesch.”
In my reprint of Conrad Blömeke; Ûber die Erzlagerstätten des Harzes on page 80 it is written ”früher Bergschreiber von Buchenberg bei Wernigerode, Namens Ditterich”.. Could it be the same person?
Do you know when he lived or who does? 
In Luleå we have at least 5 more specimens with the same handwriting as this label, and I guess there are maybe 35-40 specimens. I know that the above-mentioned specimen belonged to the most well-known Swedish Mineral dealer; Wilhelm Anderberg which died in 1871. WA was a student in Freiberg in… autumn –-54.

I am fully sure that you know about the article by Gunther Grundmann , many years ago in Lapis where he wrote about a similar “Niederlage” in Andreasberg as in Freiberg. According to him there is a book which makes one able to trace every sold specimen; the price & which location. (as I get it).
In the collection here there are a small number, perhaps 20 with these labels. Thus I am interested to know what really is written in those files. Perhaps who bought them as well?
I have published one picture of a nice little Andreasberger Fluorite on the mindat.org
(http://www.mindat.org/piclist.php?u=7366)  and that carries such a label! The following no occur; 62/63 713 on this specimen.
Do you have access to these files, and may I consult you regarding the contents in the future?

Best regards& Glückauf

Aksel

[guefz]

Hi,

I'm sorry, but I can't help you with your question. But since you are from Luleå, I have a question for you. For help in mineral identification I'm searching for this paper from the University of Luleå:

1981:081   Dagbo, Evy; Martinsson, Olof: Ruoutevarepegmatiten Jokkmokk: en mineralogisk-geologisk undersökning

I tried to contact Olof Martinsson via email but I got no answer. Do you know if it is possible to get a copy and where?

thank you in advance

Günter

[Haldenschreck]

hallo,
for more (?) information please follow this link : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergwerk_Aufgekl%C3%A4rtes_Gl%C3%BCck - in german only.

haldenschreck

[Schatten]

hi aksel,

leider kann ich dir nur in deutsch antworten, meine englischkenntnisse reichen nur zum essen kaufen 

also: carl wilhelm ditterich war bergschreiber und später berginspektor in der grafschaft wernigerode (hab nur die daten 1785/1786 gefunden).
habe hier nen ganz intressanten link zur grube das aufgeklärte glück/hasserode : http://www.harzlandhexe.de/DEUTSCH/1316/432/420/999012/design1.html

es ist gut möglich, dass der name auf dem sammlungszettel  mit ditterich gleichzusetzen ist...aber sicher kann man sich da nicht sein.
kannst du evtl ein pic posten?

ich kann morgen mal in unser stadtarchiv gehen...evtl bekomme ich dort noch ein paar infos

gruß

[aksel]

Thanks for the answers so far,

I am not fluent in German, but I do understand it quite ok (studied it many years ago but when you do not use it the skill drops).

Günter; I have a copy of the thesis re Routevare. 60 pages text plus and ~40 with EDS analyse results, maps etcetera. All in Swedish- anything special you are interested in? If so contact me at my email. I have been 3 times there myself (got one nice thorthveitite).

Haldenschreck& Schatten; Thanks for the links! I hope I will be able to scan the label and make a photo of the specimen as well,but right now there is much to do.

Had in fact the intention earlier today to post another question (two)- about localities in Germany for hopper galena and Gonderbacher Zwillinge ( have pics there- but failed to attach them..) Have to find the correct button...

best regards

Aksel

[aksel]

[aksel]

Forgot to write,

The label is already posted& the text I have had checked by a person used to old handwriting, mining and genealogical research!
Picture of the specimen (fistsize- visible area ~60x80 mm, skutterudites to roughly 3mm):

rgrds

aö